Eric Bischoff Interview
Eric Bischoff is one of the most controversial people in the wrestling industry, and has worked in all three major wrestling organisations in North America; WCW, WWE and TNA.
Bischoff began his career in the industry with AWA, but then went on to become President of WCW, leading the company to become the number one wrestling show in the world for 84 consecutive weeks during the Monday Night Wars.
We caught up with the 56-year-old to talk about getting into the business, the famous Monday Night Wars, working with his son and Scott Steiner’s Twitter rants.
How did you first get into the sport of professional wrestling?
I grew up watching professional wrestling, as a young boy growing up in Detroit, Michigan both my parents would work on Saturday mornings so I would have the house to myself and would find myself watching professional wrestling after the cartoons had finished.
Some of my earliest memories are sitting at home by myself on Saturday mornings raiding the refrigerator for any goodies I could find and sitting back to watch the wrestling. I loved it, it was part of my childhood growing up, I have always been interested in it throughout my entire life.
How did you go from becoming a fan to getting into the business yourself?
As far as getting into the industry it was really more circumstantial and coincidence than anything. When I was in my 20′s and 30′s my professional background was sales and marketing, and I ended up literally getting a job in a sales capacity for Verne Gagne who was then producing a show for AWA, which is still shown on ESPN Classic to this very day.
My interest in television and the process of producing television was such that I volunteered a lot of my free time to be an assistant and learn the process and that’s really how it all started, I kind of just moved up from there.
Did you ever have an ambition to become a wrestler yourself?
No I never did, not even as a kid did I ever dream of becoming a wrestler. I never even really thought about being involved in the professional wrestling business in any way shape or form, I was just a fan. It was just pure coincidence that I ended up in the business, I’m fortunate and very grateful that’s the way it turned out but there were never any plans or interests in becoming involved in the industry.
Eric with Konnan
You will of course be remembered for your time as president of WCW, what was that whole experience like?
It didn’t just come about over night, from working in a sales capacity for Verne Gagne as I described, I then went on to work on camera as an announcer. In 1991 I was hired by Turner Broadcasting to work on camera for WCW and looking for onscreen talent. A couple of years later I worked my way up to an executive producer position and from there I became vice president to executive vice president and eventually president of the division.
It was a long process, from working on camera to becoming president of the company was a several year process but with every step in that process I learned more about the business side of wrestling industry and took on more responsibilities. By the time I became president of the company I had a clear vision of what I wanted to do and how I wanted to make WCW the number one wrestling company in the world.
What was it like when WCW Monday Nitro beat WWE’s Monday Night Raw in the ratings for 84 consecutive weeks?
It was obviously very satisfying, my goal was to be the number one wrestling show in the world and by 1996 we achieved that and for nearly two years we were the number one wrestling show in the world.
When I said I wanted WCW to be the number one wrestling show in the world most people thought I was nuts. To this day most people can’t figure out why I have a difficult relationship with certain sites and the dirt sheets but it is primarily because a lot of those people were the very people at the beginning when I took over WCW talked about how I was under qualified and wouldn’t last six months, so when we became the number one in the world it was very satisfying for me.
Appearing with Muhammad Ali prior to WCW Halloween Havoc 1994
What was it like working with guys like, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Randy Savage with the NWO?
It was a great time, it was a great period, but that’s all it really was a moment in time. It was exciting as hell and very satisfying on a personal basis, it was fun on a professional basis. That period in the late nineties in my opinion was probably the golden age of professional wrestling, at least in recent times.
There were more people watching professional wrestling because of what I did with Nitro and because of the battle between two companies, I was responsible for what people were watching in wrestling in the late nineties and probably throughout anytime in history, and that probably isn’t going to change in my professional lifetime.
Before WCW went out of business, you tried to purchase the company, how close were you to keeping WCW alive?
Very close, probably a matter of between a week and ten days. We actually closed the financing, we raised $67million to buy the company off Turner Broadcasting, we had signed documents, we did all of the legal diligence and we were ready to close the deal when yet again there was another senior change at AOL Time Warner.
When that change occurred the new management that came in, they took a look at every deal that was on the table tore them up and renegotiated everything. When they got to our deal the renegotiation process was such that we decided it wasn’t a worthwhile investment any longer and we walked away from it.
Eric watching the last ever episode of WCW Nitro
One major star you let go during your time in charge of WCW was Steve Austin, did you have any regrets over letting Steve go?
Not at all, during his time in WCW Steve was injured a lot, he was down and he had a bad attitude about it, he didn’t like the way he was being used and the fact that he was inured made it an easy decision to let him go.
People forget when we let him go he went to ECW where he didn’t really become a star and then he went to WWE where he was all kinds of different characters before he finally stumbled into Stone Cold Steve Austin. It wasn’t like he left WCW and then instantly became a huge star in WWE, that’s not the case at all, he struggled for a long time.
Now would he have become Stone Cold Steve Austin if he stayed in WCW? I would find that highly unlikely but he became Stone Cold Steve Austin because of what he went through.
He and I actually joke about it, a couple of years ago we had a chance to work together and it was the first time I had seen him since I fired him, and we laughed about it over a few beers, he thanked me because he knew if I hadn’t fired him he would never have found that character. Some things are meant to be and that was one of them.
You became General Manager of Raw, what was it like working for Vince McMahon?
To be honest with you I had actually auditioned to be an announcer for WWE in 1990 while I was still at AWA. It was pretty obvious the Verne Gagne was financially in trouble and I could see the writing on the wall that his company wouldn’t be around much longer. I had to feed my family with young kids at the time and I actually applied for a job with WWE, I went to Stamford, Connecticut for an on camera audition but didn’t get the job, but I probably wasn’t qualified for it at the time so it didn’t come as a surprise.
It wasn’t until 2003 when Vince called me and asked if I would be interested in coming into WWE and I thought it was a great opportunity and thought it would be a lot of fun and it was. It was a very fulfilling opportunity I had to work with Vince McMahon and everybody at the WWE, they are a very classy organisation.
What do you make of the current WWE product?
I look at the WWE now and am so very impressed with what Vince McMahon and his family, staff and company have done. They are a publicly held company and like all publicly held companies they’ve been in some rocky waters when it comes to the stock-market but they’re still hanging in there and they are growing. They have taken professional wrestling and turned it into a global media phenomenon.
You are currently working with TNA, lots of people draw comparisons between TNA and WCW, do you draw any comparisons between the two companies?
None whatsoever, they are two entirely different business models. WCW was a major touring company whilst TNA is primarily a television company, the budgets here a significantly less than they were in WCW. You really can’t compare the two, although wrestling is the common denominator.
Appearing alongside Hulk Hogan in TNA
TNA is now in its tenth year, how would you say the company has evolved since you have come into the company?
TNA is evolving every day, the one thing about TNA that I have to give them a lot of credit for is that they have very little money to work with and for them to produce the kind of quality they do given the budget they have to do it with, a lot of people deserve a lot of credit.
The real challenge here at TNA is to find new better ways of producing a higher quality product with limited resources. When you look at the WWE and you look at the resources that they have it blows TNA out of the water.
In terms of quality I know for a fact that the quality of our story-telling we hold our own. A lot of what you are seeing on television now was planned six months ago, we are really spending a lot of time, good or bad, right or wrong building long term story-lines.
Having worked for both Vince McMahon and Dixie Carter how would you compare the two in terms of the differences and similarities? And how would you compare yourself to those two?
There is no comparison at all, I respect the hell out of Vince McMahon in a lot of ways and my only regret is that I didn’t have a chance to work more closely with him when I was in the WWE because I could have learned from him in a lot of ways.
I also in some respects think I have more of a creative instinct than perhaps Vince does, I look at television and I look at a story differently than he does, not necessarily better but differently. Vince and I are completely different people with completely different personalities.
Dixie is completely different in every way you can think of from Vince. She is a very social person, she has a sensitive and intuitive type of personality and Vince has his own strengths but I don’t think sensitivity and intuitiveness is one of them.
Who have been some of the favourite wrestlers you have worked with?
That’s a very difficult question, I have clearly made a lot of good friends in the wrestling business, Hulk Hogan certainly is one of my best friends and someone I enjoy working with. The thing that I respect about many people in the business is the commitment, the love of the art.
Towards the latter stages of your on screen work in TNA you worked closely with your son Garett, what was that like?
It was great, I’m grateful for the opportunity, it was a unique experience not many fathers have the chance to work with their children in television and entertainment so from that aspect it was very rewarding. I have mixed emotions about Garett’s decision to get into the business because it is a very difficult business and takes a tremendous amount of commitment. It takes a long time to determine if you’re going to be a success and in today’s environment there’s only really two companies to work for in the entire world and they are TNA or WWE.
TNA is a small company with limited resources so it is even more difficult here but its his choice and as much as I may or may not agree with it the fact that he is committed to it says a lot about him as human-being and a man, and I respect him for that.
Father and son together
What have you made you Scott Steiner’s recent Twitter rants aimed at TNA, Hulk Hogan and yourself?
Scott is a 50-year-old man and is at a stage of his life where in his mind he is a much bigger star than in reality and he is having a hard time adjusting to that. It is sad to see, especially with people at one time you thought were friends become so bitter because their identities are so diluted in this wrestling character that they think it is their life. When that chapter of their life closes they can no longer perform to the level they need to perform to be able to compete with the younger talent.
Some guys are able to adjust to that very well and just move on but other people like Scott Steiner just become bitter. I hope he finds a way to look back at his career and realise he was very fortunate, he made a lot of money, got to see the world and got to do things very few people got to do. I would like to see Scott become less bitter, he will be a much happier person.