Below is the full transcript of a recent interview that John Cena did with ‘The Sun’ newspaper in which he blasted The Rock for ‘not giving back to the fans’ it was taken from thesun.co.uk:
IT’S the interview the whole wrestling world has been talking about, after John Cena slammed The Rock for not giving anything back to his fans.
And now we are publishing the entire transcript of our chat with the WWE WrestleMania main eventer – all 6000 words of it.
Cena was on our WrestleCast, chatting to The Sun’s Simon Rothstein and Virgin Radio’s Joel Ross.
And he had lots to say on ALL aspects of his career and the wrestling business.
If you’ve only read the Rock quotes then you’ve missed out – as this is the full monty.
Enjoy it all below and click the links above right to hear the original audio or subscribe to our WrestleCast through iTunes.
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John Cena’s music plays…
John: They drilled holes in my shoulder and stitched my pec back together, there was a certain amount of time where I could do very little because you have to let the stitching sink in and re-heal. I’m past that now, so…
Simon: How did you actually do it?
John: Just with a hip toss manoeuvre, which is like a judo-based hip throw. Just fell wrong, and I think that initially tore it, I don’t think it helped matters that I stayed in the ring for another 15 minutes and got my ass whipped by Randy Orton afterwards, but I think, all things considered, it tore clean off, I couldn’t have done any more damage to it. I knew right when I did it that something was wrong.
Joel: October the 1st?
John: It was the first Monday in October, I actually watched the footage for the first time yesterday, they had it on an Italian programme and when the whole thing was over I was just more upset with myself because it was right before a Last Man Standing match with me and Randy. He’s one hell of a competitor, we really have some great matches in the ring. It’s something that I wanted to do and it just didn’t work out that way. I was definitely more upset with myself than anybody else.
Simon: When you saw him and Triple H have that amazing match, was there part of you thinking: “That should be me”?
John: No, no. You can never think that. You always wanna be there, you always wanna be the guy in the spot to gain a WWE championship, but you can’t ever sweat the next man. I was laid up, that’s the way it is.
Simon: Is there a point you could just say to him: “I’ve hurt my shoulder, could we finish this up”?
John: Nope. It’s one of those things where you can stop wherever you want to, but sometimes I’m blind with pride and I take my profession very seriously and I know people paid good money to see me perform that night and as long as I didn’t move my right arm I was capable of performing so that’s what I did.
Simon: Is that what separates the top guys? You see people like Triple H and Shawn Michaels and see them work with terrible injuries.
John: I don’t think its something that separates the top form the bottom, I just think it’s something that visibly shows that people who genuinely love what they do and there are those that don’t.
Joel: You’ve got to have a sense of pride, because without going down the kids and the ladies really loving you and the ‘proper wrestling’ guys, the old, original ECW sort of fans, not being fans of John Cena…
John: “Proper wrestling?”
Joel: I think you turned it around. You won Match of the Year, yourself and Shawn Michaels in London, what a match, that must’ve been one the most proud moments for you?
John: Well, I guess I need to thank the “proper wrestling” community for that…
Joel: You know what I mean? You had the One Night Stand thing, with the T-Shirt throwing back…
John: They pay good money to do whatever the hell they want. I don’t care what I hear, as long as its noise. If you want to tell me to go to hell, it doesn’t mean I’m going to stop believing in what I believe in. I respect the business, I respect the profession, I also think the business needs to grow, I think we should always be pushing forward, try to do bigger events, try to do more spectacular things and if I’m hated for that, I don’t care.
It’s not going to change my belief on what I am or what I’m trying to do. I would be more hated if I listened to those guys or girls and switched up my behaviour because it’s up to the fans. The fans dictate what they would like to see on our programme and at this point there are a lot of people who wish I was buried under 12 feet of concrete next to Jimmy Hoffa but there are also a lot of people who still believe in what I do and I think when it comes time for the last person to say “alright, Cena can go to hell” then I’ll tell the rest of the people to go to hell.
You succeed through hard work, through discipline, through getting your hands dirty and getting s*** done. I’m not cutting edge, I’m not ‘today’ I’m none of those buzzwords. I’m an old-fashioned, punch the f***ing clock, go to work type of guy.
Simon: Is there part of you that thinks “screw you” to those so-called “proper wrestling” fans?
[bJohn[/b]: Not at all, those “proper wrestling” fans are the ones that stick around when the business is bad. It’s a very tough dichotomy. For our business to grow, we need to attract the casual fan. But when our business is in the skids, it’s the quote/unquote “proper wrestling” fan that’s always going to stick behind us.
It’s not that I don’t care that those guys and girls say I can’t wrestle, I’m just glad that they are watching. I’m glad that they are analysing my stuff so much that I’m under the microscope that much. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and none of that stuff offends me. All I can do, all anyone can ask of me, is go out every night and give everything I got, that’s exactly what I do.
Simon: You got a good match out of The Great Khali.
Joel: Yeah, which you got a lot of respect for.
John: I think Khali is a hell of a talent. To have an entity that is 7 foot 3, 450lbs, and looks like he is all muscle, on top of that he’s got a strong Indian heritage, he brings an ethnic flavour to the programme, he knows his strengths and he knows his weaknesses and you have to accommodate accordingly to that. The match is the match, it will be what it will be, but it’s the lead up to the match that I enjoy, trying to get people interested in what I have to say. “Why do I want to see the next John Cena match?” It’s because “I don’t like he’s saying, I want him to get his ass whipped” or “Man, that’s my guy and I want to see him hit the ring and kick some ass”. I love doing that.
I think the Khali situations was that. You have a guy who is virtually unstoppable, you just go out and see what you can do with him.
Joel: So you’re the same as me, 30, 31?
John: 30
Joel: 30, yeah. Growing up as a wrestling fan I really got into it about ‘88, somewhere around there, then you’ve got it through the ‘90s, I used to love every programme with Jake ‘The Snake’ and all those guys. Who did you really admire growing up?
John: I was more of a devout fan as a kid. I got to watch it all, but the stuff that really intrigued me – I mean I watched everything; I watched World Class, I watched NWA, I watched AWA because that’s what they broadcast on ESPN in the states. I watched GLOW.
Joel: They actually weren’t in fact that gorgeous if you look at the divas now.
John: You gotta applaud them for trying!
The stuff that really intrigued me was the more character based, the more drama set story of the World Wrestling Federation. I just liked the fact that these guys were superheroes and I could look up to a superhero and it was a real-life person. You know, you could go and see them live.
As much as I dug guys in the NWA like Dusty Rhodes – Dusty was always one of my Dad’s favourites because here was a superhero that was a common dude too. You could tell he was a common dude. A child’s mind is so unobstructed by anything and they just get so caught up in wanting to cheer for someone and wanting to hate someone. To me that’s what drives our business. At the end of the day it’s not if you can do a majistral cradle or a 450 reverse double plancha dive. It’s not that, it’s “do I give a s*** about this guy or do I not?” and I think that’s the most important thing in our business.
Simon: Now tell us a bit about your Dad, because some people might just know him as “Mr Cena” who Randy Orton kicked, but he is a bit of a legend.
John: AKA John Fabulous, self-proclaimed legend. You’re actually talking to the first reverse second-generation athlete ever! My Dad is the reason I actually started watching wrestling. My Dad was never big into sports, we were all big into sports as kids, and he’d go to our Little League games or whatever and not really know what was going on, because he didn’t know about sports, but he knew about Wrestling.
He bought cable way before anyone else because he could get every broadcast and wrestling was the only time growing up in a house of five boys we could beat the s*** out of each other and not get penalised for it, because my old man, he’d love it. So that became the equivalent of me playing catch with my father or me playing football with my father.
It was us, all of us guys, watching wrestling with the old man. I was almost like I was being groomed, you could see it. After I had a little bit of success, him having the same name, he jumped at the opportunity to do some local promotion work and it took off from there and believe it or not, it’s a shame that he’s so damn old but he’s really quite good.
Joel: Stayed up and watched Raw last night, of course it comes on at 2am here.
John: I missed it, so I can’t wait to see what it looks like.
Joel: As far as you as a competitor in the ring, does mean you’re going to have to work a more stiff style? Because I watched the football in HD and you see the blades of grass…
John: No, this is the good thing about HD, the thing that everybody… the rumours in the locker room, you gotta watch the fake tan…
Joel: Shawn – he needs some lessons watching that!
John: I am a true explanation of myself – I am me. This is not ballet, it’s a contact business. I hit like a mack truck and I don’t do any of that stuff. I don’t have any elaborate uniforms, I come to the ring in a T-shirt, a pair of sneakers and some shorts. I don’t use fake tan. Sometimes I’m fat, sometimes I’m skinny, sometimes I’m white as a ghost, sometimes I got a good tan, it’s just a matter of how much sun I can get that week.
I don’t doll myself up for TV because I want people to accept me for who I am. Like I said before, I can’t stress this enough, that’s either in a negative or a positive, because either way is a result.
Simon: But some of the lower guys know it’s in HD, there’s this move to having smaller bodies, are these guys worried in the locker room?
John: No, I’ve never been an advocate of physique carries anything. It’s always your ability to produce. But it’s been proven with the success of guys like Rey Mysterio, the success of guys like Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Edge. They’re not necessarily looking for the next 300lb jacked up meathead, it’s just if you put a product forth that people enjoy then you are successful.
I think that HD is nothing but positive for the company, if anything it will show the mayhem, the absolute hysteria that goes on at a live event even more so. Sometimes that doesn’t translate well to TV.
Joel: Can we talk a little bit about OVW?
John: Yeah, sure.
Joel: Because around the time you were there, there was a hell of a lot of talent coming through at that time, it’s one of those times that will never happen again.
John: I don’t think it will never happen again, I just think it was the right place at the right time. I think it was the tail-end of WWE being very, very hot. Professional wrestling, sports entertainment being very, very hot so it attracted a large amount of people from wide varieties of walks of life and I think after 2002 the business started to slow down a little bit so it’s a supply and demand issue.
When you are not the most popular entity, the ‘maybes’ or the casual fans then doesn’t want to be associated with you. When you got The Rock and Austin and everybody else and you are selling out everything, everyone wants to be associated with you. Because of the mainstream popularity of wrestling in the late ‘90s, early 2000s, there was such a flux of people wanting to get involved in the business.
Not only that, but you had programmes like Tough Enough, like the awful Discovery special that Prototype kid was involved with, that totally killed the business. But you had a mainstream media venue of ‘not only is the coolest thing on earth’ but ‘this is how you get interested in it’ so those two things combined I think you had an unbelievable…I remember my first day of going into OVW I saw Shelton Benjamin walking on the top rope, Greco-Roman freestylist Brian Keck, UFC guy Ron Waterman, Brock Lesnar, Dave Batista. It looked like you were walking into a lobby in The Matrix, like here’s a kid bending a spoon, like I don’t belong here.
Right now I think it’s a matter of supply and demand, and you can see that there are some brighter stars in the developmental system but definitely not as much as there were in that stellar class in OVW. That was a cool moment. Nick Dinsmore is actually still a good friend of mine, we actually refer to that time as ‘Camelot’.
Joel: We hung out with his Mum and Dad in Detroit at WrestleMania, and she sent me some pancake mix, we were talking about pancakes. Very, very lovely people. E-mailed saying “Nick’s not with WWE any more, in the same entity” but wish him the best for the future because again he’s a great talent.
John: He is, he is. Not only a great talent but, I don’t know if anyone out there is listening but he’s also a great asset in the development of a lot of the WWE talents. People don’t know how much he was integral in teaching the ‘do’s and don’ts’ of the basics of professional wrestling.
Joel: Anything you would change as far as John Cena, the character? Are you like “I wish I’d changed this, wish I’d done this”?
John: Nope, not a thing. Had a lot of success in OVW, gained a lot of confidence to someone who really struggled in the beginning phases of their career, almost to the fact of I wasn’t going to make it. I pretty much have run the gamut like a lot of people look at what I’ve done and think that I’ve had immediate success. If you remember, with the rap gimmick which basically established my identity, I did that once on Smackdown for a Halloween thing, and for weeks on end, months on end I would wrestle on Velocity and Dark matches. Every time I got the mic I was so outlandishly dressed and they let me speak.
At the time, that was my strong point, it wasn’t my work in the ring. So, I viewed it as my one chance to make an impact. That was what I had to offer the paying public that was entertaining. I would make sure that everything I said was the funniest and the most edgy stuff I could possibly say. That’s what kind of got me on the map. It was the right time, just as hip-hop was at its peak. I was very, very lucky to be paired up with the best in the business and if you can’t learn from superstars like Triple H, like The Undertaker, like the Kurt Angles, HBK. If you can’t learn from those guys you don’t deserve to make it.
Joel: A lot of people say, you know, the Flairs, HBK, Angle they could have a great match with a broomstick.
John: That is absolutely true, those guys… that’s the symbol of being a professional. That’s what the business is about. Flying around the world twice and have a match on the jetway, still tear the house down. It’s the ability to have an awesome performance when it’s least expected and that’s what those guys, time and time again, have had to go through. Undertaker being a perfect example. He’s had so many money matches with so many guys you never thought would thought would be in that position.
Joel: Giant Gonzales
John: If you can pull it off, that’s the sign of someone who demands respect in this business and all of those guys get it.
Simon: Just before the rap gimmick, was there a chance of you getting cut?
John: Absolutely. Nobody liked me. Everybody thought I was just another big guy, I had no skills. It was a time where I went through a lot of change. Like I said I had a lot of success doing the Jim Cornette style of wrestling which is the complete opposite of the then-WWE style so it was like I was thrown into the deep end but I’m glad that I almost didn’t make it because if I didn’t make it I’d probably be back at Gold’s Gym cleaning the toilets.
You hear so much about the series of tests that so much of the talent go through. I just think maybe that I was given the ‘sink or swim’ ultimatum then started to do the hip-hop thing, and at least showed everyone that I could speak. From then on, match after match, progressively worked on my craft and then hit a point in my career where I said “I actually want to stop speaking and start wrestling.” And that’s exactly what I did.
Joel: So it was a conscious thing for you then?
John: Absolutely, I knew that was my weak point, but if you have a short television match where 90% of it is rapping and 10% of it is wrestling, you’re not really…it doesn’t become World Wrestling Entertainment, it might as well be World Rapping Entertainment.
Joel: One of my favourite characters who just shone through for the past 6 or 7 months is Santino Morella. I think he’s brilliant. I’m not a big fan of his work in the ring, but this guy is…
John: I kind of gauge the audience you are speaking to based on your questions; it’s a very knowledgeable audience. I think a lot of times they are too critical. I compare them to movie critics. Movie critics will pick apart movies that just go crazy at the box office and the movie critics will be like “Ah, it’s a piece of s***.” Yeah, it’s not Gone with the Wind, but people like to see that stuff.
Santino is a perfect case in point. Here’s a kid who was also on the bubble, maybe not going to make it because of…he needed a lot of polish in the ring, but got a chance to talk. He has a lot of enthusiasm, he really digs the business. If you talk to him, he loves the business, which immediately garners respect from me. And he’s not afraid to go out there and be a jackass. You got to tip your cap to that. He’s a funny guy and he adds a piece of entertainment to our programme. That’s a success in my book.
Joel: This time you’ve been off, what is John Cena’s day?
John: 4-6 hours of physical therapy. After about two days in the hospital I was sick of being in the hospital, so my goal was to get back in the ring as soon as possible.
Joel: They would have said to you “there is no way you can be back for Mania.”
John: They said 6-12 months. Edge had a pec tear and came back in 5½ months, so I’m trying to beat him, if it’s 5 months and 12 days, I’m just trying to beat him because that’s…you hear a lot of people talk about strength of schedule, you need a break. The word burn-out is used so often.
There’s a guy I know who runs the joint, and I’ve never seen him rest, I’ve never seen him stop. And it’s not because he’s a robot, but it’s because he shows up for work every day and you can see the damn gleam in his eye because he loves to do what he does.
I love to do what I do. That’s why all the supplemental stuff, the movies, the music, is to add to the squared of the squared circle. Whether you like me or you don’t, I still dig showing up for work. So I don’t like being on the sidelines, I don’t like resting, I sure as hell don’t like doing 6 hours of tubing and stressball activities, but I do it because I know it’ll get me back in the ring faster.
It’s tough, man. I watch the product all the time, but it’s tough to watch the product because I want to be out there. You feel worthless. I feel I’m not doing anything to contribute.
Simon: You got to go to Iraq.
Joel: You can tell when people don’t want to be in certain places, and you always look really at home there.
John: Man, I dig that show. Only because the men and women over there treat us with the utmost respect, it’s an awesome trip. They thank us as much as we want to thank them.
I needed that trip. It was just about the two month point, or the month-and-a-half point where I was just out of the loop and it’s the first time for me in seven years where I’ve just been out of the loop. I needed to get out with the crew, I needed to get out and do something even just to dress up as Santa Claus and go in the ring. I needed to do that, man. It makes me think about what I’m going to do when this whole thing’s over because…
Joel: Become a road agent or producer.
John: Man, I’ll put the ring up and take the ring down. I was feeling it. I needed to get out there, and it was just enough of a hold over to go onto the next thing.
You guys probably know this because you seem to know everything, but I’m filming a movie and I’m spending some time with New Orleans PD to learn how to be a better cop, I guess, because it is an action based police movie. I most likely will be at WrestleMania in some capacity, but you probably won’t see me on camera.
Simon: What’s the feeling in WWE about movies, because some, like your one, have done well, and some, like Stone Cold’s, for some reason didn’t do so well.
John: I think the success of each movie is directly related to the promotion. I know Lion’s Gate was heavily involved in the promotion of The Condemned, man I wish I could take somebody out back round the woodshed for that one. They just promoted it as a movie, never once did you know that Steve was in it, it wasn’t necessarily promoted at the casual fan. I know from a WWE standpoint they did all they could to try to promote it to our audience, but our audience is only so many people. To make Box Office money you got to get the word out.
Joel: What about The Rock? What are your thoughts on The Rock?
John: This is my take on The Rock, and he’s a genuinely nice guy. I’ve met him; he’s a fantastic human being. What I kind of get peeved about, and I guess this is my flaw, my Achilles heel, I hear it every day with young talent, with midcard talent, with people aspiring to make it in this business; I hear “I’ve wanted to do this my whole life.”
Rock falls into that category. He, at one point, loved wrestling and wanted to do this all of his life. Explain to me why he can’t come back for a 15th Anniversary show or why he can’t make an appearance at Wrestlemania. Simply put it’s because he wants to be an actor. There’s nothing wrong with that, there’s nothing wrong with that. He’s a very good actor, he’s very successful, he’s done very well for himself and associating with sports entertainment doesn’t do much for his acting career. It only helps out the sports entertainment audience so I get why he doesn’t come back.
Just don’t f*** me around and tell me that you love this when you are just doing this to do something else. That’s the only thing that gets me really pissed off.
Joel: To come out to the ring, as a surprise, cut a promo, go back.
John: It’d be fantastic. The people would go nuts, and that’s the thing, he has so much admiration from our audience. One thing I’ve learned from being a wrestler, or being on the other side of the barricade and being a fan, you almost don’t realise it as a fan because you are a fan so much, you just go to everything. Being on the other side I learned how much of their hard earned dollars are spent on our product. And to have that much admiration still, when he hasn’t been around, hasn’t been on TV, you gotta respect that from our fanbase and he just doesn’t give anything back, man. I wish he’d just show up, just say “Hi” and leave, it’s all he’s gotta do. Do the eyebrow once and get out of town. That’s one thing that sweats me.
But like I said, he is a great guy, but we all know now that he wants to be an actor. There’s nothing wrong with that because he’s truly found another passion. He’s good at acting, his films make money.
Joel: One thing I wanted to talk about was, I don’t know how comfortable you feel about it, is Chris Benoit. We’ve spoken to everybody who’s come on the show, talking about this, and again, possibly one of the nicest men I’ve ever met and I couldn’t believe what happened. Just some memories of Benoit.
John: Not very many, only because we were on different shows. Early in my career I had a great chance to run with Chris a little bit as far as an in-ring scenario. I think that’s how most people knew him because he was very close kept.
I think Dean Malenko, Eddy Guerrero, Chris Jericho, that’s kind of the crew he ran with and only the crew that he ran with. What I admired about Chris was his discipline. He was a disciplinarian, respected the business and if your intentions weren’t true, he would figure that out. I respected that.
He led by example, always showed up early, always watched all the matches. Was always an open ear to give advice. It’s a case that maybe there were definitely two different Chris Benoits. One who was the consummate professional in the wrestling ring, and one who had the horribly troubled personal life that no-one ever knew because he was so private about his life.
Joel: You’re in this business and you see uneducated guys that never amounted to a lot, going on there and talking about either steroids…
John: That question is real easy to answer because you have to consider the source. When the source is ignorant to how things operate now, let’s say even if they were a successful star, even if the situation was they got a superstar from the early 90s or late 80s that was a success. Our entity has changed. We truly now are a global phenomenon, much more of a business than we ever have been before. Our athletes come up, not only athletically savvy, but business savvy.
In the prior years of World Wrestling Federation, it was more like a rock star environment. That time is done, that time is over. This is…every athlete we have has their head on straight as far as ‘listen, this is an entity where the main objective is to generate revenue.’ It’s much more of a company situation now than it ever has been.
So to get someone’s testimony from the late 80s or the 90s is completely inaccurate because the product itself has changed so much in the way that TV is done, in the way that Pay Per Views are done, the way that the athletes are treated, the testing policy.
All that stuff now equates to what is the new WWE and it’s much larger which is why it’s under more scrutiny.
Simon: In the early 80s and 90s you used to have guys on TV like Hulk Hogan saying “We don’t do this stuff, it’s not like that. It was Superstar Billy Graham’s era, we’re all clean now.” So do we know it’s truthful now when it obviously wasn’t then?
John: I’ve tried to make this point a million times, you never know if it’s truthful. Basically, it’s a matter of opinion; it always has been and always will be. An athlete’s best defence is his record. If there is a drug testing policy and you pass every drug test, as an athlete that’s the best you can do to say “Look guys, I’m clean.”
I can go on air and say “Hey, I’m not on steroids.” And prove it with it with 6 clean test s last year, 8 the year before – I’m clean. But as soon as I say that, there’s people on the Internet going ‘No, he’s on steroids, I know he’s on this and that.”
That’s an argument that I’ve been fighting since I was 16 years old, that I know for a fact I can never win so I’ll never get in a screaming match, I’ll never get in an argument. Performance enhancing drugs work, they will always be in any aspect of athleticism that has to do with performance. They make the drugs, the drugs work, it basically comes down to an athlete’s personal choice, now, whether they want to go up on the stand and lie about it, that’s also their personal choice, that they have to deal with. Hulk Hogan had to really, really, backpedal himself into a series of apologies and telling everybody that it wasn’t the right thing to do, so you take it upon yourself as an athlete, if you’re on some s*** and you go out there and say I’m clean, and you get busted, your integrity, your word, which is pretty much in this business all you have to stand on, is f***ed.
Simon: What about these loopholes that we’ve heard about? Things like testosterone replacement therapy.
John: Maybe somebody who has become a eunuch is the only person that I would suggest needs testosterone replacement therapy. Or maybe a patient suffering from terminal illness.
I don’t buy or believe any of that. This is my take on the whole thing. You can’t come down on Major League Baseball, you can’t come down on National Football, you can come down on World Wrestling Entertainment, you can’t come down on the Olympics. These brands are doing all they can to keep their sport as clean as they can. It’s the athlete’s individual choice but on top of that these products are illegal.
Every time someone is busted…like in our system. If you get caught, it’s a 30-day suspension. You know what it should be? Call the authorities, and have somebody f***ing go to jail. In Major League Baseball, if you get caught, you’re suspended 5 games. They play 5 games in a week. That could be a week’s suspension. If you increase the risks, you will decrease the use. Start arresting guys, start throwing guys in jail. I guarantee you, go ahead, try it, you get caught, not only will you go to jail, but we’ll make everyone know you never existed.
That’s a strong statement. If they were to do that, and where the law needs to get involved. If I’m on the street corner sniffing cocaine, I’m going to jail. Period. Point blank.
You get busted for steroids, they are just as illegal as cocaine. The penalty should fit the crime and it doesn’t. But as a company, we are doing the best we can, to not only protect our athletes, but to try to rehab our athletes and to basically keep them involved in the programme. As long as they let the brands govern the suspension, there’s going to be scrutiny, there’s going to be talk and there’ll be people trying to cheat the system, that’s just the way it is.
Joel: Finally, one question from me. I was very proud, I made the front cover of Men’s Health magazine.
John: Holy s***.
Joel: Right, how do you get a body, right, look at that? That is six weeks…
John: Man, holy hell. Actually, no, you have the basis of a very lean physique. You can see your joints are small, you can see you don’t have very broad shoulders – sorry for the cheap shot – but you are actually not that far away. What’s gonna help you most is nutrition. Nutrition and hydration, you just got to basically do the rabbit food thing for a little bit and you’ll be ok.
Joel: Cut the beer out.
John: Oh, man, I wish you’d never said that. If you are out, there, I firmly believe in drinking beer, don’t ever try to cut the beer out, but drink the light stuff.
Joel: Cheers John, thank you very much.
John: Thank you guys, ‘preciate it. No sweat, I dig interviews like that.